Oh well. From experience of Chateau LTE12 there are ~186MB free RAM in normal operation. It goes down to ~130MB when using wifi-qcom-ac.Chateau 5G R16 can host the HomeAssistant app, which allows monitoring your CCTV cameras, temperature sensors, and other devices to create the smart home ecosystem of your dreams!
This is shame and makes me cry.... How much could 128MB cost?I was looking forward to see OmniTIK 5 PoE AX, LHG XL 52 ax and wAP ax.
Apparently, non yet (if at all).
EDIT:
Also, Chateau 5G R16 - 16MB storage ? Seriously ? In 2024. ?
What a coincidence, we were discussing this only a few days ago, having a good quality leveling power supply for automotive is a good thing::- APA-1 overvoltage protection
Well I'm buying it as soon is available...Thank you, Normis
What a coincidence, we were discussing this only a few days ago, having a good quality leveling power supply for automotive is a good thing::- APA-1 overvoltage protection
viewtopic.php?p=1050866
didn't know it existed from Mikrotik:
https://mikrotik.com/product/apa_1
Serves you coffee and serves wifi to your kids or younger co-workers. Everybody happy.WiFi6 Vending Machines hahahahahaha Qaulity
And it is RouterOS v7 only... Maybe it is a good thing, this will insure that MikroTik commits extra effort to make new versions of RouterOS v7 fit on 16MB unlike recent Betas... But I am not sure if it wouldn't be cheaper and better in the long run to just put more NAND capacity instead...Also, Chateau 5G R16 - 16MB storage ? Seriously ? In 2024. ?
And it is easy to configure:Serves you coffee and serves wifi to your kids or younger co-workers. Everybody happy.
/vm/coffee/addition/sugar
add spoon=1 comment=1 spoon
/vm/coffee/addition/other/milk
add do-not-serve-black=yes ml=10 soy-milk=no name=with_milk
add do-not-serve-black=no ml=0 soy-milk=no name=black comment="defconf"
/vm/other/nonbeverages
add liquid=no bar=yes
...
I love the way the Guy is just sat there casually twisting Wires together for His next Enterprise..... Hilarious.And don't forget there will be special package to install in case it's installed in vending machine
You lose coffeine-acceleration when using `/vm/coffe` directly. To get the proper coffeine into your drink, you need to configure it like that:And it is easy to configure:Serves you coffee and serves wifi to your kids or younger co-workers. Everybody happy.Code: Select all/vm/coffee/addition/sugar add spoon=1 comment=1 spoon /vm/coffee/addition/other/milk add do-not-serve-black=yes ml=10 soy-milk=no name=with_milk add do-not-serve-black=no ml=0 soy-milk=no name=black comment="defconf" /vm/other/nonbeverages add liquid=no bar=yes ...
/vm/container
add type=coffee name=base-coffee
/vm/container/configuration
add coffeine=yes name=recipe1 grind-size=10 grind-time=8s shot-time=25 brew-ratio=2.1
/vm/coffee
add container=base-coffee configuration=recipe1 name=espresso
I just love watching People make money in any form, I could almost feel the excitement in the Room. it's made my day for sure!Serves you coffee and serves wifi to your kids or younger co-workers. Everybody happy.WiFi6 Vending Machines hahahahahaha Qaulity
Care to Expand ?Now I understand what market MikroTik products from v7 are aimed at...
mANTBox ax for WISP without any CPE (except "Build your own") is completely useless...
vsSuggested price $299.00
Suggested price $485.00
MT, can you explain to us why you are so in love with such small 16 MB flash?
Claimed to be his saying, yes.Bill Gates said: you don't need more than 640kB.
The whole 16MB debacle started WAY before COVID!!!Probably because they bought a truly excessive quantity during COVID, due to the shortage of supplies of materials,
which now have to put them everywhere to dispose of them and cover the costs incurred to buy them.
Let's not confuse the NAND of previous products with the 16MiB Flash used now...When I initially "discovered" ...
We need DOS/4G solution for ROS :)Fact: The design used for that processor prevented it from using more than 640kB of memory.
So someone decided that limit, it could be there, but the worst thing was that it was FORCED TO MAINTAIN IT even afterwards, for "decades"...
Actually ...Fact: The design used for that processor prevented it from using more than 640kB of memory.
So someone decided that limit, it could be there, but the worst thing was that it was FORCED TO MAINTAIN IT even afterwards, for "decades"...
Am I missing something? The new ax hardware is not backwards compatible with older devices (4 address frame format differs between wireless and wifiwave2 drivers).Outdoor AP's cover both WISP and WiFi needs. Better to get those out and on the market because it reaches a wider audience. Likewise, a WISP can start upgrading their sites (since it's backwards compatible) in preparation for CPEs to come.
If these are the same radios that are in hAP AX3, then any AC client in station mode will connect. Otherwise stuff like our old laptops and phones wouldn't work.Am I missing something? The new ax hardware is not backwards compatible with older devices (4 address frame format differs between wireless and wifiwave2 drivers).Outdoor AP's cover both WISP and WiFi needs. Better to get those out and on the market because it reaches a wider audience. Likewise, a WISP can start upgrading their sites (since it's backwards compatible) in preparation for CPEs to come.
Right now only one device come to my mind... RB5009. But that is orders of magnitude better device than hEX SWas hoping for Hex S replacement with form factor of Hex S and specs of hAP ax2 minus Wi-Fi plus SFP+ and USB 3.0
Actually, not that many. There is no real product "for the higher-end home user" with 8+ switch ports and modern WiFi.L009 replaces RB2011, it is for people who need 2GHz. We have plenty of other devices for those who need 5GHz.
We need more ram for many reasons:CRS is a switch, why do you need RAM at all in there ?
fine, but that product is not the L009.Actually, not that many. There is no real product "for the higher-end home user" with 8+ switch ports and modern WiFi.L009 replaces RB2011, it is for people who need 2GHz. We have plenty of other devices for those who need 5GHz.
The 4011 is not well supported, the 5009 has no WiFi, the hAP ax3 has too few switchports.
I think you should make a successor to the 4011 (the 5011?) that has fully supported WiFi, similar flash and RAM, 10 ports of which 5 are 2.5Gbps, an SFP+ that supports DAC, and a USB port.
How about buffering? When you connect two switches via SFP and the main traffic is at one port, a server for example, there are too many TX pauses because the switches between them see the connection at 10GB, but the ethernet where the majority of traffic is going, is connected at 1GB. So naturally it causes pauses or drops. More RAM helps at buffering the traffic, at my understanding...
CRS is a switch, why do you need RAM at all in there ?
It's called: CRS => Core Router Switch ;)CRS is a switch, do not use it as your main router
Yes, but a lot of buffering of the traffic is actually a bad idea. Especially when there are not multiple queues and DSCP based priority.More RAM helps at buffering the traffic, at my understanding.
I am fully aware that is a switch and I use it for that but let me share (Again) Some real-life experiences and use cases:CRS is a switch, do not use it as your main router
I agree and have seen similar behavior, where the switch after bootup is basically already near maximum memory usage.
- I support a CRS312 that has 64 MB of RAM and the switch every week and half reboots randomly. Checking I see that memory usage gets max until the switch reboots. I don't have that issue with a CRS326 that has 512 MB RAM. My solution? Put a script to reboot daily the switch but this is not an elegant solution and brings other collateral problems but at least the switch doesn't reboot at the middle of the day affecting all the connected users.
- Being on a time that RAM and Storage are on the Gigabytes and very affordable I don't get why Mikrotik nickels and dimes these critical components.
Like I said, these new versions feels more like a downgrade as even the RouterOS supports everything you want, if the Hardware cannot support it is a Dead on Arrival.
That is because in a high-end switch the CPU and its associated resources (memory, storage) are not in the data path.It even feels counter intuitive that the most expensive and high-end CRS5xx series feels crippled compared to the lower-end series due to lesser cpu/memory/storage (1core/64/16 & 1core/128/32) vs (2core/1Gb/16 & 1core/512Mb/16)
True, you should not upgrade that kind of vintage device to RouterOS v7 unless you are prepared to live with performance issues.I do feel that 64MB of RAM is on the low side for ROS7.
You are confusing memory for the OS and port-buffer memory. Port-buffer memory is tied to the switching ASIC. Many times it's builtin to the switch chip. Typical datacenter/storage switches has huuuuge buffers.aMore RAM helps at buffering the traffic, at my understanding.
Too bad the CRS326-24S+2Q+RM is delivered from factory with RouterOSv7 and 64MB of RAM.True, you should not upgrade that kind of vintage device to RouterOS v7 unless you are prepared to live with performance issues.
You can run SwOS on that. Anyway, I would never buy that kind of thing from MikroTik.Too bad the CRS326-24S+2Q+RM is delivered from factory with RouterOSv7 and 64MB of RAM.
Is that along the same lines of thinking MikroTik will be forced to make their AC wifi products fantastic when the rest of the world is already 2 generations ahead?The best we can say about these devices being released today with too little storage and RAM is that it will force Mikrotik to optimise the software, and then everybody will benefit.
and will surely cost at least 2x the price and the yelling and whining will go on and on.... it's with the people. there will always be something to dick about.fine, but that product is not the L009.
Actually, not that many. There is no real product "for the higher-end home user" with 8+ switch ports and modern WiFi.
The 4011 is not well supported, the 5009 has no WiFi, the hAP ax3 has too few switchports.
I think you should make a successor to the 4011 (the 5011?) that has fully supported WiFi, similar flash and RAM, 10 ports of which 5 are 2.5Gbps, an SFP+ that supports DAC, and a USB port.
So basically MT says: "please run on 512+ RAM only. And just for testing with less entities"Based on the information from their site, recommended minimal requirements are:
2 GB RAM
32 GB Storage
Recommended does not mean set in stone, and we will be running this on L009UiGS that has 512 MB RAM and a USB slot for the required storage. It is advised using recommended hardware specifications, but for testing, and low amounts of data, you can get by with 512+ MB RAM.
On a 256MB RAM device. It's interesting how even MT can get tangled up in contradictions.Chateau 5G R16 can host the HomeAssistant app, which allows monitoring your CCTV cameras, temperature sensors, and other devices to create the smart home ecosystem of your dreams!
The fact that you still capitalize the initial must mean something.We already informed Marketing that they exaggerated in this case.
For 2x the price I would be happy. I bought a 4011 for 2x the price of a L009 but I get an orphaned device. And it is still being sold today!and will surely cost at least 2x the price and the yelling and whining will go on and on.... it's with the people. there will always be something to dick about.
fine, but that product is not the L009.
That be nice. Every newsletter I await any new devices in the RB5xxx/L009 form factor — I really like the "25% 1U" design.300 euro for a 5011 with specs as I hinted would be a good deal.
i would also be fine with such a device. currently running a 1100AHx4 DE so a smaller device also could be beneficial in my case.
For 2x the price I would be happy. I bought a 4011 for 2x the price of a L009 but I get an orphaned device. And it is still being sold today!
300 euro for a 5011 with specs as I hinted would be a good deal.
Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
- new outdoor AX devices
- new D.I.Y. RouterBOARD
- APA-1 overvoltage protection
- distributor case studies
- latest #MikroTips and tricks, and so much more!
https://mt.lv/news116
Like CCR2004-16G-2S+? Maybe CCR2004-16G-2S+PC?Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?
Something with better CPU, RAM and so on ? Like 1GB memory ? x64 bit 4 cores or more ?
You forgot about the RB50009!Like CCR2004-16G-2S+? Maybe CCR2004-16G-2S+PC?Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?
Something with better CPU, RAM and so on ? Like 1GB memory ? x64 bit 4 cores or more ?
I didn't see that new model in the newsletter.You forgot about the RB50009!
Like not these models. Same size as HEX may be providing +1 port more. So having at least 5 gigabit lan ports.Like CCR2004-16G-2S+? Maybe CCR2004-16G-2S+PC?Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?
Something with better CPU, RAM and so on ? Like 1GB memory ? x64 bit 4 cores or more ?
May be you don't understand the direction. Applying for a router, not a wireless one!Even hAP ax² matches the requirements with 4 core 64 bit CPU and 1 GB RAM...
That is not surprising because your question is completely unclear! You ask for a new device and think all existing devices that fit the bill are not right for you...May be you don't understand the direction. Applying for a router, not a wireless one!
If you red carefully my post above you will see that I am applying exactly for a "Ethernet routers"That is not surprising because your question is completely unclear! You ask for a new device and think all existing devices that fit the bill are not right for you...May be you don't understand the direction. Applying for a router, not a wireless one!
Can we expect new "Ethernet routers" ?Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
- new outdoor AX devices
- new D.I.Y. RouterBOARD
- APA-1 overvoltage protection
- distributor case studies
- latest #MikroTips and tricks, and so much more!
https://mt.lv/news116
And when I (and others) give you examples of "Ethernet routers" you come back with "no, not those. others...".If you red carefully my post above you will see that I am applying exactly for a "Ethernet routers"
That is not surprising because your question is completely unclear! You ask for a new device and think all existing devices that fit the bill are not right for you...
He probably meant this section: https://mikrotik.com/products/group/ethernet-routersAnd when I (and others) give you examples of "Ethernet routers" you come back with "no, not those. others...".
Because you did not specify "Ethernet routers" and you reject examples of both "Ethernet routers" and "Ethernet+WiFi routers".
I hope you understand that the situation (which may be very clear inside your own head) is very unclear to everyone else.
Hello Normis,Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:
- new outdoor AX devices
- new D.I.Y. RouterBOARD
- APA-1 overvoltage protection
- distributor case studies
- latest #MikroTips and tricks, and so much more!
https://mt.lv/news116
Are you saying that the new wifi6 ax cannot use our N,AC cpes in a netbox? And I was thinking of replacing my old 5ghz netbox with a wifi6 ax and being able to increase wisp clients without having to reinvest in my current infrastructureI was hoping for LHG ax - remember the higher "ax" data rates need better SNR, so high gain is more important than it was for "n". And, please also support WiFi 6E (up to 7 GHz) and dual-band ax/ay with 60 GHz ay for high speed and 5 GHz ax as a backup.
Also, the new ax AP is not a real drop-in replacement until it is also compatible with older n/ac devices in station-bridge mode. All of my WISP CPEs are in station-bridge mode (bridging PPPoE to the customer's home/office router - more secure to keep the device roles separate, wireless CPE is only managed by the WISP and the router can be managed by the customer). Older APs also support WDS compatible with UBNT M5 series CPEs - plain old 802.11n (no TDMA, but RTS enabled) is necessary in this case, but it works well enough if there aren't too many CPEs connected at the same time. I think it is really important to keep over-the-air station-bridge (and WDS too if possible) compatibility for the new devices to be real drop-in replacements. With some more work it could also use a single new implementation of the bridge (currently, there are two - the other one hidden in wireless AP, where each connected station is a bridge port, but there is no easy way to see the MAC table etc. as it was in the old WDS).
It's a pity with all these new ever faster WiFi standards that bridge/WDS is still not a standard feature that works even between different vendors, I know no one cares about WISPs anymore but it's not the only use for that, connecting wired-only devices (and whole networks, without ugly "MAC address translation" hacks) to WiFi is another.
You are absolutely right about this, initially 7 years ago we started the wisp business with mikrotik everything was worked in N with the arrival of AC we thought we would do better but it was not like that, we were very limited in numbers of CPE per AP compared to the competition that manages to hook more than 20 CPEs clients per APs, we have an infrastructure of 70% with mikrotik and the rest with two competing brands and thus we were able to resolve the demand for bandwidth after the pandemic, currently we only use mikrotik In routing we call it ground technology (routers, POE switches) for Wi-Fi we call it aerial technology. We are waiting for Mikrotik to achieve improvements in this but we are still working on it.@sirbryan
Bad idea to buy a product without knowing if they will put the remaining part on the market and without any test that all parts (AP+CPE) are working as expected...
Would you buy an electric car first, without knowing if they would ever make batteries for that model?
But you're right about one thing: I can't buy the new products.
The new ones are NOT compatible with nv2 and do not have nv3
(and although the MikroTik staff claims that 802.11ac works better, it seems that they have never seen the devices in the field).
So, if to mount the external APs in ax, I'm forced to put 802.11 in the ac CPEs because I lose nv2 and I'm forced to change the CPEs for use the "ax" advantages...
and I can't leave the running panel on "ac" because the frequencies are not infinite...
At this point, for me, if there is no longer the possibility of using the NV2 on the devices already installed (which are almost all "ac"),
it is better new installations to be done with the "competitors'" system" which I have already started using for 3 years,
but apart from the software which sucks (really s–t), the hardware does its job.
Customers don't care what the CPE administrative GUI looks like, they just care about if the connection work or not.
In fact, it is indicative that in the last 2 years I have not bought any more MikroTik CPEs, but only core routers, poe switch and indoor access points...
From a wifi point of view, here in Italy, MikroTik initially spread mainly as WISP devices, for years it has been like this, now it seems to want to specialize for APs inside the home... for geeks.
It is very far from having a fairly stupid and functional GUI like other competitors that the standard user prefers, and then it's always years behind its competitors.
and the large ISPs certainly do not mount MikroTik equipment, but make customized supply agreements with companies famous for the low cost and value of the equipment.