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Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:59 pm

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

- The most affordable CAT6 LTE CPE's so far (indoor & outdoor)
- CRS310-8G+2S+IN
- 915 Omni antenna for LoRa® -New #MikroTips and tricks
- MikroTik DISCORD server
- Your MikroTik setup submissions

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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:37 pm

Read our latest newsletter and learn more about:

- The most affordable CAT6 LTE CPE's so far (indoor & outdoor)
- CRS310-8G+2S+IN
- 915 Omni antenna for LoRa® -New #MikroTips and tricks
- MikroTik DISCORD server
- Your MikroTik setup submissions

https://mt.lv/news114
Very nice job on Hap Lite lte, but I wish I could say the same on SXTR&FG621-EA, No Arm and 128mb nand.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:41 pm

Also just as idea nice to see RB5009UPr+S+IN with 5G sim and NVMe slot for container or even Chateau 5G ax with nvme slot for container (One solution for all features) with better ARM 64 and more Ram.

I start deploy CCR2116-12G-4S+ for some clients and running few container very powerful router but too pricy for home.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:44 pm

The CRS310-8G+2S+IN looks really good, with all these 2,5Gb ports. But...
Really? 32MB of storage? Haven't we already addressed this? I'm not asking for 1GB of storage - it wouldn't even make sense on this product. But how about 64MB? How much more would cost, to bump from 32 to 64MB of storage?

Why, You ask. 32MB is enough, You say. Well, this thing runs RoS - that means we can partition it. And let me tell You: a second partition - with a known good installation - is something that comes in handy. I don't know how much of the 16MB one RoS7 installation uses on this device - but I can say that uses about 12MB on my hEX. 32 MB starts to get too crowded for comfort, when partitioned. Strictly speaking, 48MB would be probably enough - but good look making 48MB with a single flash chip...
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:41 pm

hAP ac2, which is ARM 32, just like CRS310-8G+2S+IN, uses something like 14,5MB (with switch-like config applied) of storage when running v7.8 (and I guess recent versions will be close to that). So 32MB is (currently!) sufficient to partition it to two halves ... if ROS uses RAMdisk to download upgrade packages.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:48 pm

In v7 we are trying to slim it down, it should become smaller
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:57 am

SXT doesn’t have gain information on the product page. The inclusion of B28 is nice, but I suspect the unit still uses the original antennas which are next to useless for B28.
Still only have 100Mbps Ethernet ports.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:00 pm

hAP ac2, which is ARM 32, just like CRS310-8G+2S+IN, uses something like 14,5MB (with switch-like config applied) of storage when running v7.8 (and I guess recent versions will be close to that). So 32MB is (currently!) sufficient to partition it to two halves ... if ROS uses RAMdisk to download upgrade packages.
It is barely enough. The device should have some slack, since one thing Mikrotik excels at is useful life. AND every device is supported at least five years after discontinued. This is quite something on the current market - and to be applauded - but also means that current hardware will probably be running RoS 10 years from now. Some extra space would be good.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:07 pm

In v7 we are trying to slim it down, it should become smaller
Trying to keep it small is always a GoodThing®, and I find it impressive how much RoS does using so little space. However, with new capabilities and drivers, can we be sure that 8 years from now it will fit? Is it really that expensive to go from 32MB to 64MB? Mikrotik buys these flash modules by the tens of thousands - can't cost that much. What impact would it have on the final unit cost? From US$ 219,00 to US$ 222,00?
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 2:44 pm

I would love to see a PoE+ version of the CRS310-8G+2S+IN =)
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:57 pm

I would love to see a PoE+ version of the CRS310-8G+2S+IN =)

Yes!
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:03 pm

SXT doesn’t have gain information on the product page. The inclusion of B28 is nice, but I suspect the unit still uses the original antennas which are next to useless for B28.
Still only have 100Mbps Ethernet ports.
https://mikrotik.com/product/sxt_lte6_2023
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:42 pm

Well took forever to see this Newsletter just to release an LTE router and 8 port switch. From May to September.

Common Mikrotik I like to see refresh on CRS326-24G and CRS328-24P at descent price (same price or less of current models) with mGig, PoE+ or even better with PoE++, more SFP+ uplink ports and couple QSFP28 uplinks.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:19 pm

I'm pretty excited about the CRS310-8G+2S+IN. I really wish it was a CRS310-8G+2S+OUT or rather a CRS310-8G*P*+2S+OUT but I'll deal with it for now.

8 port 2.5G PoE out in an outdoor enclosure is the goal.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:23 pm

Good that I read this newsletter, I was almost giving up and buying a expensive "dumb" 2.5GbE switch (Only 4 ports), for the same price of the CRS310-8G+2S+.
I just got one, finally I can have muiltiple 2.5G ports for a reasonable price.
Extra feature, if you put the RB5009 on top of the CRS310, it becomes "actively cooled"
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:16 am

sticky this, i didnt see it until now
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:00 am

Well took forever to see this Newsletter just to release an LTE router and 8 port switch. From May to September.
That hopefully means they are focusing on bugfixing the existing products.
I can tell you now that if they put out a newsletter containing three different 6G routers with PoE-over-fibre, someone would be complaining that SNMP statistics for IPv6 BGP adjacencies in ROS7 still didn't work after 5 years [or something] so why waste time on this new crap?
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:25 pm

CRS310-8G+2S+IN
Just what I need to finish my Home Lab, Perfect!
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:28 pm

I would buy at least two of the CRS310-8P+2S+IN if those were released.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 4:49 pm

I would buy at least two of the CRS310-8P+2S+IN if those were released.
I don't want it if they are going to do this NO!

PoE-out
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PoE-out ports Ether1-Ether8
PoE out 802.3af/at
Max out per port output (input 18-30 V) 640 mA
Max out per port output (input 30-57 V) 420 mA
Max total out (A) 2.59 A
Total output current 2.28
Total output power 130

I'll just use the provided Injectors.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:01 pm

The css610 outputs more power than that. I would hope the specs would take into account that devices with 2.5 gbe ports use more power.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:28 pm

yeah i think PoE+ is becoming mandatory and PoE++ is becoming mainstream
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:38 pm

I'm not really interested in ultra-high-power PoE for niche cases, i want something to run the bulk of my radios and I'd rather not pay the price for a bunch of 'bt ports when I need 'at ports for 99%. The extra couple of bucks per port leads to a lot of wasted spending for a lot of operators.

cambium 4500/4600, ~<10W
tachyon 3xx, ~17w peak or 34W w/ PoE passthrough *BUT* I don't need that at a tower so I don't need my tower switch to handle that.
LTU, ~13w
airmax, ~3-10W
Mimosa A6, ~12W
anything bigger than that needs dedicated DC runs anyway.
The total output is a bit of an issue, even on NP16 where you need to balance the loads out each side of the switch. So improving that total output power would be ideal. Basically, make an 'at switch with enough power to run each port at full 'at output.

So yeah, let's ask for mostly 'at level ports because the price will be better.

If anything, do the standard model like I describe and then an all but identical 'HP' model with higher power outputs.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:28 pm

So yeah, let's ask for mostly 'at level ports because the price will be better.
100% agree. I'd be good just ~15W 802.11af, that solve a lot of problem. I'd take 30W 802.3at... But agree once you get to needing >30W, I'm of your opinion...an injector often a better plan.
It's the 0 PoE ports that's the problem...
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:31 pm

Zero PoE please or models with and without like RB5009.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:26 am

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
 
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Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:06 am

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
What's the cost difference between 2.5GbE and 10GbE ports (with optional PoE)? I'd really like to see SOHO equipment moving to minimum 10GbE for future-proofing.

Use-case from storage network with jumbo frame to enterprise DIA to labs etc.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:18 am

CPU specs worry me about using this as a layer 3 access switch (or perhaps distribution switch in smaller networks) for running a few thousand/ten thousand BGP routes/OSPF and in future if MikroTik supports VXLAN with EVPN or MPLS/EVPN.

Should we need to worry about this type of CPU spec on your switches for route computation and EVPN?
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:21 am

This is a switch. CPU has no relevance in this device. If you need BGP, forget about any CRS series device, you need CCR:
https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2116_12g_4splus

However we do not yet have routers with copper 10G ports, only SFP+
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:23 am

Should we need to worry about this type of CPU spec on your switches for route computation and EVPN?

It's a switch, so why should it compute routes (thousands of them)? How does "thousands of routes" relate to "distribution switch in smaller networks"? In my world it doesn't, in my world "distribution switch in smaller network", even if used as L3, switch, is about a few (less than 10) subnets with tens of hosts active in each subnet.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:53 am

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
Yes I'm building out my Home Network still which will be 2.5G forward of the Router, this switch is perfect for me BUT, I would like to be able to plug-in
4xCap ax's (Is that classed as a router!) and not have to worry about power supply demand should I want to plug a camera into the end of it for Example.
I thought this product was aimed at small office/home use No?
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:48 pm

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
Lots of new wireless gear is supporting 2.5G poe input. tachyon, ubiqiuti Wave Micro, cambium cnwave. The lack of 2.5G ports has really hindered our mikrotik deployments. We love the netpower 16p and use that as the base for tons of pops w/ it's hardware forwarding but have had to use different gear for mmwave micro-pops.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:57 pm

The same as above but aid differently:

There are hundred of devices types that can by powered by PoE, but by far, the most common ones are either IP phones, IP cams or WiFi APs.

- To my knowledge, IP phones are still and only Gigabit devices.

- For IP cams, maybe 2.5Gb/s will break trough given video storage requirements that will go with crossing 1Gb/s limit, IP cams are still Fast Ethernet or Gigabit devices.

- The only devices requiring both 2.5 Gb/s and PoE are high end WiFi APs.

CRS310-8P+2S+IN nicely cover these target. I would appreciate if it could be DIN Rail mounted.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:27 pm

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
I have access points that are ax 4x4 that have both 1g and 2.5g ports that allow for poe in on both ports. I only have one drop run to each access point. These are at/af compatible but I have seen 6e access points that need bt.

I don't think I will need a 10gbe poe switch (all ports) with poe (bt) - although I am sure some people will.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:39 pm

The css610 outputs more power than that. I would hope the specs would take into account that devices with 2.5 gbe ports use more power.
Yes more near the mark, but do you see my point.
CSS610:
PoE-out
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PoE-out ports Ether1-Ether8
PoE out 802.3af/at
Max out per port output (input 18-30 V) 1000 mA
Max out per port output (input 30-57 V) 625 mA
Total output power 140

cAP ax Only: 9 watts
30V 300ma
48V 190ma
57V 160ma

cAP ax With Attachments: 38 watts
30V 1.27A
48V 790ma
57V 670ma
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:01 pm

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
Access points. Indoor and outdoor.

Indoor you've got new WiFi 6 AP's that have 2.5G ports and more powerful radios.

Outdoors, as mentioned by others. The holy grail of switches for WISPs today would be your new CRS310, but with 24-32W of POE out on the copper ports, in a weather-proof enclosure. Like the outdoor versions of the CRS305 and RB5009. (Those are beautiful, BTW.)

The Peraso-based radios (Tachyon, Ubiquiti Wave) all need 24W to avoid random reboots and resets. (And they actually use the whole 24W during software updates, so .450mA doesn't quite cut it when the voltage drops below 50V, as tested on a CRS328.) Tachyon's all have 2.5G ports, and Ubiquiti's AP's and backhauls have 2.5G ports. With Netonix and UI high-power POE switches in short supply, the favored outdoor/tower-mounted switch of WISPs has become the NetPower 16.

Tachyon just released the five-port TNS100 (four 2.5G POE and 1 SFP+), an indoor switch. It's great, but at most of my sites I need more than four ports.

Today I have a few CRS310's ( 5SFP, 4SFP+) combined with Netonix POE switches in boxes on rooftops routing customer traffic with L3HW offload and doing a marvelous job. Other sites employ CRS318's (NetPower 16) with L3HW offload.

Ideally, if a couple of the ports had even more power (45-55W), you could run Siklu 2500's and 8010's for 2-10Gbps of backhaul. But I imagine most people feed those separately. I feed them off the Netonix high-powered ports.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:28 pm

biggest wish, get rid of 24v PoE on consumer devices, replace it with standard 48v PoE
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:30 pm

biggest wish, get rid of 24v PoE on consumer devices, replace it with standard 48v PoE
That's not a mikrotik feature and I do not want mikrotik trying to push that because radios are the determining factor, switches should follow the market not try to fix the market.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:49 pm

As a newsletter suggestion, perhaps y'all add some "editorial column" from JanisM.

Something like why Mikrotik does make more 48V 802.3 PoE device be a good topic... I get need for 24V someplace (WISPs / Wi-Fi), but PoE has been standardized for a long time so at both home and datacenters, passive PoE doesn't make a lot of sense. e.g. The product lines are all over the place in power specs...

I'm sure 802.3 added a lot of cost/complexity 10+ years ago... is that still true? Is making "flexible" power options (24V&48V, passive&active) really that hard?

It's this kinda content that be useful IMO.
 
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Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:41 pm

I would love to see a PoE+ version of the CRS310-8G+2S+IN =)
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:56 pm

I'm sure 802.3 added a lot of cost/complexity 10+ years ago... is that still true? Is making "flexible" power options (24V&48V, passive&active) really that hard?

While I don't want to speak for MikroTik and would also like to hear them speak directly on this, I will observe that PoE means isolation magnetics, big caps, LC filters, power transistors, and so forth, none of which is subject to Moore's Law Increasingly Obsolete Business Rule.

Observe that wall warts aren't getting a whole lot smaller, and when they do, they get much more expensive due to use of GaN transistors and such, which not that long ago were considered so high tech they couldn't be exported outside the US for fear it would give $BADGUY_DU_JOUR a leg up on $BAD_THINGS_THEYRE_OBVIOUSLY_PLANNING.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:31 am

the components aren't dramatically more expensive, but they come with consequences of a more complex PCB or more assembly effort for surface mount components and more heat requiring cooling/more-cooling etc. Nothing is free.

But, I think most people are willing to pay that price and a comfortable markup for mikrotik to add that

However, ubiquiti may have offered up an alternative solution already that I would love to see a mikrotik version of. The Instant AF outdoor adapter. takes standard PoE and coverts it down to 24V for their radios.

I would love to see a mikrotik outdoor af/at/be adapter to 26-27v and then a full conversion to standard PoE outputs.

Most new radios are 48v compatible, though some still want passive 48v which could be accomodated with a 'force output setting on the switch. Use the instant af style adapter for 'legacy' products. win.

We are basically doing this now. We had to move up to 48V to get LTU and Wave to be stable so on some smaller sites we have a PBP at 53V and then an instant af outdoor for an airmax radio for the legacy links. Works great.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:05 pm

If you had an option to switch between 2-pair or 4-pair passive POE, then you could feed the switch with 27V and still run AirMax/MikroTik 24V devices alongside LTU, Wave, etc.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:39 am

biggest wish, get rid of 24v PoE on consumer devices, replace it with standard 48v PoE
That's not a mikrotik feature and I do not want mikrotik trying to push that because radios are the determining factor, switches should follow the market not try to fix the market.
That's absolute BS. The "market" asks me almost daily why we can't power a hAP AC2 router from a standard PoE switch that powers VoIP Phones and IP Cameras. Just 2 hours ago I powered a pair of RBwAPG-60ad radios off a Fiber Store PoE Switch and a Cisco PoE switch to connect a warehouse on the other side of the road to the main building, yet the RBD52G-5HacD2HnD-TC-US router that is the access point in the warehouse office, connected to the same switch, plugged into ether1 that is even labeled PoE IN, needs to have a wall adapter because it doesn't accept standard PoE, it only takes only 24v Passive PoE.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:46 am

However, ubiquiti may have offered up an alternative solution already that I would love to see a mikrotik version of. The Instant AF outdoor adapter. takes standard PoE and coverts it down to 24V for their radios.

I would love to see a mikrotik outdoor af/at/be adapter to 26-27v and then a full conversion to standard PoE outputs.

Most new radios are 48v compatible, though some still want passive 48v which could be accomodated with a 'force output setting on the switch. Use the instant af style adapter for 'legacy' products.
I've looked at that outdoor adapter, but haven't actually used any yet. It just seems stupid that you need to buy a ~$22-$25 device to power the device, while you throw away the unused 110v wall adapter, when they could have made a router that supports the industry standard PoE input for the same price and simply not included the wall adapter.

Also, yo can only force the output setting on a switch if the switch even supports 24v passive PoE, which as far as I'm aware only MT and some UBNT switches do, to the best of my knowledge if you have any other manufacturer switch in the world, you are totally out of luck and using some type of adapter, injector, or wall plug

I would happily pay the same price and have no wall adapter included in the box if it included standard PoE support on a hAP router. For the far less common installations where a wall adapter is needed, then I will happily pay extra for one.
 
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I've looked at that outdoor adapter, but haven't actually used any yet. It just seems stupid that you need to buy a ~$22-$25 device to power the device, while you throw away the unused 110v wall adapter, when they could have made a router that supports the industry standard PoE input for the same price and simply not included the wall adapter.

Also, yo can only force the output setting on a switch if the switch even supports 24v passive PoE, which as far as I'm aware only MT and some UBNT switches do, to the best of my knowledge if you have any other manufacturer switch in the world, you are totally out of luck and using some type of adapter, injector, or wall plug

I would happily pay the same price and have no wall adapter included in the box if it included standard PoE support on a hAP router. For the far less common installations where a wall adapter is needed, then I will happily pay extra for one.
Spend a bunch of extra money supporting 24v on a bunch of switch ports, or buy an adapter for the small number of legacy APs you want to support... Not much runs on just 24v anymore, basically just airmax at this point, everything else is 48v compatible and even if it supports 24v that can be sketchy like LTU or Wave.

ANY switch could support forced PoE out at at/af/bt speeds with relative ease, running a 25ohm resistor between powered pairs on a keystone is a straightforward hack to get 'at power to detect but often this is a software switch depending on the switch IC/PHY
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:01 am

I would love to see a PoE+ version of the CRS310-8G+2S+IN =)

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?

I see CRS310-8G+2S+IN as a perfect replacement for CSS610-8G-2S+IN.
One of the interesting things is that we have a powerful 8 ports CRS switch, which supports RouterOS !
CSS610-8G-2S+IN / SwitchOS Lite is an exception here in the hundreds of MikroTik devices we install / manage.
Having to deal with SwitchOS Lite among other RouterOS devices is annoying, where RouterOS makes things easier...
Having RouterOS only would make things more "consistent"...

So, now, having a RouterOS non-PoE 8 ports switch, we miss the PoE version :)
This is my point of view !

Thank you very much for your consideration !
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2023 3:53 pm

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?

Well, I can only speak to my needs. I work with a network company. We go in and replace or update the wiring and all network equipment, installing a main router, several switches (linking switches with fiber runs were possible), Wifi APs everywhere, and then VoIP phones. So, low power PoE switching is a big deal, just enough to run 5 watt phones and the cAPs.

Here's the deal, we need several SKUS of PoE, three actually:

1:We need an update to the CRS112. The CSS610 is not good enough with SwitchOS being a different way to manage and seems like a downgrade.

2: Then we need a short depth 16 port model.

3: The CRS328 is perfect.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:08 pm

This completes what I previously said :)
CRS112 is clearly not an option anymore, no bridge VLAN filtering support (so another way to configure it from CRS3XX devices), and no 10G uplinks.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:17 pm

Another variant I'd like to see might be called a CRS310-4P-4G+-2S+. That is, four 1G PoE ports for cameras covering a small domicile, four of these fancy new 2.5G Ethernet ports for the "high-end PCs" normis speaks of, and a few SFP+ for a fiber backbone. If you can get to 4S+, even better.

The application is "upscale wired home" in the 2-4 bedroom range. I've been using a CRS328-24P for this for a few years now, and it's complete overkill. Nearly all the ports are unused.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:38 pm

Another variant I'd like to see might be called a CRS310-4P-4G+-2S+ ... the application is "upscale wired home" in the 2-4 bedroom range.

MikroTik could become the PoE gorilla. They have a great routing product, now they need to own PoE. Nobody in my market cares about $5,000 Cisco switches. Yes, I'd like more Layer II security features, but let's get more PoE.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:43 pm

So true. Boy add display & control knob to CRS328 that let you set a VLAN on the switch – lot of margin there. I know people who buy $4K+ switches ONLY because they have a display on them. Stuff like this https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ernet.html
 
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So true. Boy add display & control knob to CRS328 that let you set a VLAN on the switch – lot of margin there. I know people who buy $4K+ switches ONLY because they have a display on them. Stuff like this.

Wow, that is awesome! Colored LED lights that tell you what vlan membership a port is in. Also their GUI software is top notch. But you pay for that.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:47 pm

Wow, that is awesome! Colored LED lights that tell you what vlan membership a port is in. Also their GUI software is top notch. But you pay for that.
For reference,
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And, switches used to come with some display (and a beep)...
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:21 pm

All shop SXTR&FG621-EA still with the old high prices. Will there be no business with the old prices when the product code has remained the same?
 
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Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:40 pm

Can you guys clarify the use case of 2.5G ports but with PoE output? I thought this kind of switch was great for high end PC's, not for plugging in more routers?
There are many accesspoints with 2.5G PoE-in on the market...
 
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Tue Sep 19, 2023 1:11 pm

All shop SXTR&FG621-EA still with the old high prices. Will there be no business with the old prices when the product code has remained the same?
new model is not in shops yet.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:13 pm

SXTR&FG621-EA - only 100M ports... WHY???. Plase do 60GHz wAP witch 1G ports with first PoE in and second PoE out ...OR... LTE CPE with two ports 1G PoE in + PoE out. We need connect customers via 60G main uplink and LTE backup but only one cable from roof... We must do it now with outdoor POE box...
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:02 am

Those are completely unrelated products. Do not mix apples and oranges.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:59 am

@normis, while that previous post is a little off topic, the outdoor SXTR having only 100M ports eliminates it for us, we want to run a single cable up and have the LTE router handle failover and pass through PoE and data to another CPE. Routeros is the key to this on the SXTR but with 100M ports we can’t deploy it. The other CPE could be a model from some other brand and likely does not have the flexibility of routeros so this pass through setup is ideal.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:13 am

…with 100M ports we can’t deploy [the SXTR]…

You can get over 100 Mbit/sec LTE in the "remote" applications this product is meant for?

I get ten-ish where I am, and I'm in the middle of town.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:14 am

Tangent is right. This is a rural / remote area LTE AP not meant for such speeds. If you can get over 100Mbit via LTE, this device is not for you, check our other offerings for city / good coverage zones.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:46 pm

@normis, fair enough but there are areas that do need this or a device basically like this. I would argue that areas with such low speed demands might be better with a cheaper LTE modem and the CAT 6 and up more suited to areas with gigabit ports.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:50 pm

I would argue that areas with such low speed demands might be better with a cheaper LTE modem and the CAT 6 and up more suited to areas with gigabit ports.
These days it's imposible to get near modem or cell tower maximum throughput, with many concurrent devices we're all aiming at getting roughly 10% of radio resources available at cell tower ... per connected device.
Using higher category LTE modems is thus mostly not geared towards approaching gigabit speeds, it's (sadly) geared towards approaching 100Mbps speeds, hopefully getting more stable speeds as well. And mainly so by enabling CA; in rural areas the signal strengths are too low to enable any other advanced features (4x4 or higher MIMO, 1024QAM).

And, BTW, cat 6 modems are considered low end since like 10 years ago ...
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:30 pm

if you are on a saturated tower getting max 10%, CA isn’t going to do a whole lot, you’re already getting scheduled down. We operate LTE with cat4-cat15 UEs, cat4 vs cat6 on a saturated CA capable eNB is maybe 20% better because it can get into available timeslots on either carrier, but it’s not getting 2 while carriers worth of speed. Ie, dual carrier doesn’t get twice the time slots as single carrier. When the eNB is saturated, it’s actually a LOT faster to split it to dual carrier in a 10Mhz channel (1/4 max speed) because there’s less scheduling contention.

I’m not saying CA is useless, but the vast majority of CA is when the eNB isn’t saturated and you can get scheduled on both carriers.


I would love a CAT6+ in CBRS though because that would do well with our CA eNBs that have room to spare.

We run fixed ptmp in 5/6(beta)/60 GHz and then have LTE in 3Ghz for hard to reach customers, mobile hotspots, and backup services
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:24 pm

if you are on a saturated tower getting max 10%, CA isn’t going to do a whole lot ...

My experience (my previous career was senior radio engineer for incumbent MNO) is that indeed CA doesn't make miracles. But in most cases it will increase user's throughput anywhere between 25% and 300% depending on local topology, customers' spread over terrain and carrier utilization. And I'm pretty sure all customers will apreciate increase from 10Mbps to 12Mbps or even 40Mbps (yes, quite often higher frequency bands make lots of sense in CA combination whereas they wouldn't be useful much in stand-alone configuration due to higher Tx power available at cell tower. Not to mention that often MNOs have wider frequency channels available on higher frequencies).
Again, this is rural use case with longer NLOS customer-eNb links but with fairly high eNb utilization (so not really deserted land). And in these cases, 100Mbps port is enough even if the modem used is a CAT12 or even higher. Higher CAT is mostly needed for better frequency band support and higher number of supported CA combinations (and UL CA), not for insane throughputs.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:45 pm

again, just to point out that I don't care that much about the 100M for the LTE link, it's when you use the PoE passthrough to another CPE that is capable of more. Put an epmp4525 or a Cube60 or UI wave or whatever and a 300Mbps plan in, then try to add an LTE failover.... you end up with a mikrotik somewhere or a peplink or cradlepoint (provider managed LTE failover, not dual wan on customer router which can't be easily supported). The LTE mikrotik with PoE passthrough is a fantastic option if only it had 1G ports....

This is the gap I'm wanting to fill. The SXTR+LTE as a failover device. lots of options from just NAT'ing out the LTE side which might be a major carrier (or our on CBRS) or even a tunnel from the LTE to the headend so that failover doesn't even distrupt sessions. When the SXTR+LTE loses connectivity to some target via the 'main' CPE, it fails over to the LTE or tunnel on LTE and then as a last resort NAT'd on the LTE. Lots of options here but requires gigabit ports for modern connectivity. We do this now with primary+LTE CPE and a mikrotik inside, 2 cable runs, and 3 pieces of equipment. Reducing this to a single cable run and only 2 pieces of equipment would be very desirable.

Basically, the fact that there is a PoE pass through port get's this device very very close but just misses the mark.
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:44 pm

Does the FG621-EA support non-contiguous intra-band carrier aggregation?
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:03 pm

Does the FG621-EA support non-contiguous intra-band carrier aggregation?
Mikrotik typically lists the CA modes someplace. For the FG621-EA on the hAPlite6, it's the "Brochure":
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/hAPax ... 230832.pdf

I don't EU bands to know if non-contiguous... but the CA modes it supports are:
1+1/3/5/7/8/20/28
3+3/5/7/8/20/28
5+5/7
7+7/8/20/28
40+40
8+8
38+38
41+41
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:29 pm

The list, per-se, doesn't clarify the contiguous vs. non-contiguous, it just says it supports intra-band CA (e.g. 1+1).
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:34 am

I asked support (SUP-133576) the question about non-contiguous intra-band carrier aggregation on the FG621-EA modem. Their response was:
Yes, these devices support intra-band CA.

You can find out more in their brochures:

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/hAPax ... 230832.pdf
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/SXTLTE6_200836.pdf
However it's not clear on the non-contiguous part!
 
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Re: Newsletter #114 | September 2023

Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:08 pm

I replied to support stating that the brochures didn't explicitly state non-contiguous intra-band CA was supported. I pointed out that for the R11e-LTE6 modem there was an explicit statement in the brochure that it only supported contiguous intra-band CA.

The response was "In the case of R11e-LTE6, due to its limitations, this was indicated. FG621 supports all of them."

So, I guess that's as conclusive an answer as I'm going to get.

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