Community discussions

MikroTik App
 
russelld
just joined
Topic Author
Posts: 16
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:58 am

MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:19 pm

https://youtu.be/A_5NdEEjEgE

Wonder how long until they are actually available?
 
User avatar
pcunite
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sat May 25, 2013 5:13 am
Location: USA

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³

Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:03 pm

What is the M$RP?
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³

Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:09 pm

$79.00 : $99.00 = $109.00 : x

probably ~ $139,00
 
User avatar
anav
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 14522
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 pm
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³

Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:57 pm

So hapax3 = to WIFI 6, that is not too bad of a lag behind other vendors, they have really shortened the gap in technology outputs.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³

Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:43 pm

hAP ax³ wireless specs looks promising, Powerful radio + external antenna gain.

Shut Up And Take My Money 8)
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:05 pm

Added on title, accordingly:

MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Nice details:
C53 U i G+ 5HPaxD 2HPaxD

Compared with hAP ax² [C52iG-5HaxD2HaxD] have USB3, one 2,5G port, and Powerful radio for both 5 and 2,4 GHz

Some other details:
Quad-Core IPQ-6010 1.8 GHz ARM 64bit
QCN-5022 (2.4 GHz)
QCN-5052 (5 GHz)
RAM 1GB
128MB NAND
1 PoE-out (0,5 A)
USB3 type A
2.4GHz Antenna 3.3 dBi
5GHz Antenna 5.5 dBi
Price: €135,00 + V.A.T.
 
indy
just joined
Posts: 20
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:17 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:45 pm

Is it possible that the AX2 has better reception at 2,4ghz despite those giant external antennae?
(4,5dbi vs 3,5dbi)
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:54 pm

3,5? 3,3... if it's not a mistake...
They have a powerful radio compared to ax², probably to be within the legal parameters to be sold it must not have too much gain...
but the antennas are detachable...
 
tenner
just joined
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:36 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:02 pm

Is the USB port going to be any useful for attaching an external hard drive?
The USB port is extremely slow on hAP AC3 and could not use it with an external hard drive for backups (I only tried it with 6.x Router OS). This is not an issue with my thousand years old synology AC1900 router...
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:04 pm

ax³ has a USB3 port, ac³ has a USB2 port
 
mkx
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 8970
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:10 am

Legacy mikrotik devices are pretty slow when working as NAS devices. And providing "only" USB2 doesn't explain it, after all USB2 is supposed to go up to 480Mbps (half the speed of a gigabit ethernet) but most people experience file transfers (via SMB) far slower than that. And simply including USB3 in new ax devices will not improve this experience. Now, if ROS v7 came with better SMB implementation, that would be a major step forward ...

If using USB to attach storage for semi-permanent log storage or some such, then the slow speed is usually not an issue. I don't know how USB attached storage fares when used for containers though.

And to me one of major uses for USB port is possibility to perform OOB management, e.g. using WOOBM.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:55 pm

is the wifi same as hAP AX2? Only 1200 in 5 Ghz? For those money it is not really great....
 
User avatar
kaherdin
newbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:08 pm

I can't find this device anywhere but on YouTube.
Where could I pre-order?
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:20 pm

It's a LEAK ... Wait for the device to appear on the MikroTik website.
 
EgidijusL
just joined
Posts: 6
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:25 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:02 pm

Most European stores have already announced the price and delivery date.
 
tenner
just joined
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:36 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:34 pm

Legacy mikrotik devices are pretty slow when working as NAS devices. And providing "only" USB2 doesn't explain it, after all USB2 is supposed to go up to 480Mbps (half the speed of a gigabit ethernet) but most people experience file transfers (via SMB) far slower than that. And simply including USB3 in new ax devices will not improve this experience. Now, if ROS v7 came with better SMB implementation, that would be a major step forward ...

ax^3 youtube video talks up the USB port as a viable option to attach storage, but I am afraid it's gonna suck as much as ac^3. Anyone from Mikrotik care to tell us if SMB performance has been improved in ROS 7?
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:46 pm

Maybe we can ask owners of RB5009 how fast is their USB 3 with ROS7....
 
User avatar
pcunite
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sat May 25, 2013 5:13 am
Location: USA

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:15 am

USB is not for storage, its for external devices like LTE modems and such.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:59 am

USB is not for storage, its for external devices like LTE modems and such.
Please do not write nonsence....did you see the video?
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:52 am

Brochure PDF
hAP ax³.pdf
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
 
biomesh
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 508
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:25 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:08 am

Wow a level 6 license.
 
User avatar
kaherdin
newbie
Posts: 29
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:10 am

It's a LEAK ... Wait for the device to appear on the MikroTik website.
on their official YT?
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:59 pm

Yes... Is wanted :lol:
 
Quasar
newbie
Posts: 32
Joined: Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:11 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:40 pm

Anyone want to hazard a guess how fast this will route IPv6 (or: non hw accelerated)? Seems like in theory it has an advantage over hAp ax² due to the CPU frequency.

Ideally I'd like to route 1 Gbit/s of PPPoE encapsulated IPv6, but my gut feeling tells me RB4011 or RB5009 is still the way to go for this use case.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:35 pm

You can check mikrotik chateau AX....there is the same CPU with 1.8....I would say it is disappointing comparing to RB4011...
 
bma
just joined
Posts: 20
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:40 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:27 pm

Maybe we can ask owners of RB5009 how fast is their USB 3 with ROS7....
1.3gb/s read and 1.3gb/s write is what I measured on a RB5009ug a few months ago. At least one core was at >90% utilization which looks like the limiter. This was single file copy and the network was otherwise idle during the test. I didn't see improvement when copying multiple files concurrently. MT support told me 1.3gb/s is expected. viewtopic.php?p=916528&hilit=rb5009+usb ... ut#p916528

Most consumer grade QC and BC chipset USB3 devices seem capable of saturating a 1.0gbpe link. But don't expect much higher when using a mult-gig link.

I wonder if the 2.5gbe link uses the same chipset/configuration as RB5009. I still can't saturate the RB5009 2.5gbe port with single stream traffic and have stopped using it.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:32 am

You can check mikrotik chateau AX....there is the same CPU with 1.8....I would say it is disappointing comparing to RB4011...
Is not the same type of CPU, RB4011 uses an Out-of-order execution CPU with a wider Memory Bus Allowing it to provide Much more performance per core and MHz, at least until now "small" devices like hAP use in-order execution CPU with narrower Memory Bus, in consequence, performance is lower, power consumption is lower, size, and the cost is lower too, so i think is fair
Last edited by chechito on Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:40 am, edited 3 times in total.
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:34 am

I wonder if the 2.5gbe link uses the same chipset/configuration as RB5009. I still can't saturate the RB5009 2.5gbe port with single stream traffic and have stopped using it.
Don't expect hAP ax3 to provide similar performance, RB5009 System of Chip is far more powerful, like RB4011, is another Tier in terms of performance
 
shaw627
just joined
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:34 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:02 pm

I'm worried about 2.5G port compatibility.
 
User avatar
rumahnetmks
newbie
Posts: 34
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:00 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:51 am

Think will change my hap-AC3. :D
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:00 pm

if you check the Chateau LTE18 ax(same CPU as AX3) test results and compare it to hAP AC2 the CPU power is very disappointing. It is about 14% faster than this old device and Im not talking about HW Ipsec is not supporting for this new CPU.... and the lady on the video is talking about high power router...MT rather did not release the test results for AX3...
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:56 am

performance numbers on such new devices like this can improve over time so in a few months we can see some improvement in performance

but

keep in mind this small devices have small cpu's, is like a raspberry pi, despite having 4 x a72 cores at 1-5-1.8 ghz its narrow memory bus cripple its performance in some scenarios

same thing can happen here, i think 1.8ghz can be exploited in single thread limited scenarios, but because of the narrow memory bus will be hard to take full advantage of 4 cores at that clock speed

we will see
 
User avatar
normis
MikroTik Support
MikroTik Support
Posts: 25408
Joined: Fri May 28, 2004 11:04 am
Location: Riga, Latvia

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:22 am

This has been discussed to death, but v7 tests are different than v6 tests, so you can't compare hAP ac2 with hAP ax or Chateau, because they are v7 devices with different kernel and different tests.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:53 am

so, what is the real power increasement? Why is 5009 in those test much more powerfull than hAP AC3 and hAP AX3 has same test as hAP AC3 results?
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:53 pm

5009 is on another tier of performance because has a bigger system on chip (SOC), it has out of order execution cores which do more work on every clock cycle, and has a wider memory bus to feed it

off course is more expensive an has higher power consumption
 
Navegador
newbie
Posts: 25
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:18 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:52 pm

Now I just have to wait for a version with LTE or 5G, hopefully with a USB3 M.2 connector so I can use a Quectel 5G modem ;-)

They should sell "R" versions of these things (without modems).
 
syadnom
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 688
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:41 am

I'm actually incredible dissapointed in the ax3. ax2 as a solid budget ax router with 2x2 2.4 and 5Ghz great, but at the price point the ax3 having just 2 5Ghz chains and being priced at $139MSRP makes this a hard hard fail. 2x2 wifi in a product in this price range is a complete joke. the ax2 is a bit overpriced *but* routeros v7 feature set makes up for it. ax3 is WAY overpriced for what it is. This cannot displace wifi6 Eero 6+ models that are far cheaper and have a 4x4 5Ghz radio.

We need a 4x4 beamforming ax radio for $139MSRP at a bare minimum.
 
jeroendv
just joined
Posts: 1
Joined: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:21 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sun Oct 09, 2022 8:47 am

Can MikroTik clarify if there will be a product coming this year with multiple chains ? Cause I am doubting if AX3 is the router I’ll buy. Or is it that because of the WiFi6 support more than 2 chains is not necessary for a regular “smart” home.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:45 am

Hi,

will Zerotier work on this device?
 
syadnom
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 688
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:58 am

Hi,

will Zerotier work on this device?
yes
 
User avatar
chechito
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 2552
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:14 am
Location: Bogota Colombia
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:09 pm

Wow a level 6 license.
Wow i hope is not a typo

will be a beautifull device for hotspot and lab
 
nemoforum
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 55
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:08 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:08 pm

Does hAP ax3 really have more tx power than hAP ax2, considering that wireless chips are the same (QCN-5022)?

Max output power for 2 & 5 GHz respectively:

ax2:
https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ax2 - no wireless specifications
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/hAPax_220854.pdf - 24/23 dBm
https://fccid.io/TV7C52-5AXD2AXD - 29.3(853)/28.4(704) dBm(mW)

ax3:
https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3 - 26/26 dBm
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/hAPac3_201223.pdf - 26/26 dBm
no FCC test results yet

I doubt between buying hAP ax2 now or waiting for hAP ax3. I don't need USB or CPU running at the max clock, however, the coverage zone should not be worse than currently with hAP ac2.
 
User avatar
rextended
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 9595
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49 pm
Location: 🇮🇹, my 💔 is in 🇺🇦

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:13 pm

Does hAP ax3 really have more tx power than hAP ax2, considering that wireless chips are the same (QCN-5022)?
Except artificial limitation, the wireless chip is not involved on max tx power, but only the amplifiers on board:
https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/RBD53 ... 210205.png
 
nemoforum
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 55
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:08 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:36 pm

 
User avatar
pothi
newbie
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:48 pm
Location: Srivilliputhur, Tamil Nadu, India
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:09 pm

I doubt between buying hAP ax2 now or waiting for hAP ax3. I don't need USB or CPU running at the max clock, however, the coverage zone should not be worse than currently with hAP ac2.
I own both hAP ac2 and hAP ax2. Coverage zone by ax2 is not worse than ac2, both theoretically and practically. I can't speak for ax3, as I don't own it, yet (for the same reason that I don't need USB for now as I can use hAP ac2 for tethering via USB).

Even though, ax3 comes with USB3, I don't think I'd ever use USB port to attach an external hard disk (for NAS). For NAS, I'd go with proper NAS with multiple hard drives in RAID. Of course, I can use an external hard disk to store logs or can use USB port for troubleshooting. Is there any interesting use-case for USB or USB3?
 
mkx
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 8970
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:58 pm

Is there any interesting use-case for USB or USB3?

As long as Mikrotik sells these (or a potential successor), IMO every Mikrotik device should come with (working) USB port ... even if it's marked as "Management only" and doesn't recognise any of fancy USB devices (other than said USB stick and potentially the plethora of USB2serial converters).
 
User avatar
pothi
newbie
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:48 pm
Location: Srivilliputhur, Tamil Nadu, India
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:43 pm

That is indeed an interesting device. A good toolkit to have for any network admin along with MQS. The following quoted text was taken from Woobm quick guide...
The Woobm is a WiFi-to-serial bridge. This device enables wireless access to RouterBOARD devices which have a USB port, but do not have wireless interfaces.
 
User avatar
Pranja
just joined
Posts: 20
Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:09 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:50 pm

Did anyone managed to dissasemble this device? I am interested if it has mpcie slot like his predecessor.
 
User avatar
Znevna
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1212
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:04 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:18 pm

There's a link posted above to its fcc id, did you even look at it? viewtopic.php?p=967659#p966929
 
faber33
just joined
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:47 am

Are you planning a version with an LTE modem?
 
fgoldstein
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 65
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:50 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:17 am

Any hints as to when these will become available in the US? Neither this nor the ax2 are available now, though they are FCC approved. I wonder if there's some unobtanium needed to build enough to meet demand.
 
syadnom
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 688
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:18 am

I wouldn’t be too rushed. These are OK. Nice CPU. WiFi is totally nerfed by 2x2 configuration. WiFi 6 NEEDS 4x4 to be awesome.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:54 am

Any new tests? Any comparison between AX2 and AX3?
 
valnik
just joined
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:48 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:36 pm

Hi, i have for two days with 2 disks - one HDD a one SSD /through USB powered hub/ - speeds are amazing, similar to RPI4, it menas about 85MB/s to/from SSD. So i use it for backups from my Proxmox server /connected manually with SMB 2.0 version/. Wifi is fine too.
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:02 pm

Good..finally I can use Mikrotik router as FTP server for my cameras.

I have AX2 and AX3 and if you do not need USB just buy AX2. The wifi signal is almost the same, routing capacity is almost the same according to Mikrotik tests. The only biggest diffrence is SIZE...AX3 is even bigger than RB5009 and it is minimal double of the beautifull AX2. Pitty there is no USB on AX2 it would be best home router...
 
kirmad
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:41 pm

Hi

By default, this router has the 2.5Gbit PoE port assigned to WAN.

For now, I don't have need 2.5Gbit ethernet, neither PoE.

I've read that 2.5Gbit ports consume more power than . Is that true, even when working at 1Gbit?

Would I make any savings in power/heating by switching the WAN port to a 1Gbit one and leaving the 2.5Gbit unused?

Thanks
 
syadnom
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 688
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:02 pm

What the whole preceding post was quoted for? Is it a problem to just use "Post Reply" button?
2.5G ethernet uses a little more, but primarily because of clock speed. The difference is really minimal in practice. You might be thinking about 2.5GbE SFP+ modules and those DO consume a lot more, power.
Last edited by BartoszP on Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: removed excessive quotting of preceding post; be wise, quote smart, save network traffic
 
kirmad
just joined
Posts: 4
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:37 pm

2.5G ethernet uses a little more, but primarily because of clock speed. The difference is really minimal in practice. You might be thinking about 2.5GbE SFP+ modules and those DO consume a lot more, power.
OK, many thanks for the info!
 
SmRiga
just joined
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:39 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:33 pm

I have a question about PoE-in/PoE-out on this device. Looking to upgrade main home WiFi network to latest WiFi6 standart. Now I have hAP ac³ as main access point, which receives power from edge router via PoE-in on ether1 and further powers cAP access point via PoE-out on ether5. So I just wanted to swap ac³ for ax³, but, if I get it correctly, ax³ has PoE-in/PoE-out only on one port, ether1. So I can't power ax³ from router and power cAp from ax³ simultaneously and keep current wiring setup, right?
 
holvoetn
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1836
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:14 am
Location: Belgium

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:30 pm

Correct.
Only one port for both functions.

Use poe injector from cap ?
 
SmRiga
just joined
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:39 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:08 am

Correct.
Only one port for both functions.

Use poe injector from cap ?
Many thanks for confirming my suspicions. Sadly, currently both devices located far from power sockets, as wiring was designed with PoE functionality in mind. Guess I'll stick with ac3 for now, just wanted to tinker with the new device. As aside question - any clues what is rationale behind such design? Every networking device I got before had PoE-in and PoE-out on different ports: RB4011, ac3, cAP. And it sounds pretty logical to me, to chain several devices in such way while current consumption allows.
 
holvoetn
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1836
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:14 am
Location: Belgium

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:47 am

Ah, those are the mysterious ways guys in Latvia think :lol:
I don't fully understand the rationale behind that change either.

Only logical thing I can think of is it is a sure way to avoid daisy-chaining (which could anyhow pose problems for most setups, so better to get rid of the possibility to do so).
 
SmRiga
just joined
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:39 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:51 pm

Ah, those are the mysterious ways guys in Latvia think :lol:
I am from Latvia by the way :D Guess I need to evolve to catch up with the Mirkotik vision. :wink:
 
mkx
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 8970
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:45 pm

802.3 af/at as MT supports it is limited to 30W. Passive PoE has similar power budget. RB5009 consumes a fair share of it so if device is PoE powered, it doesn't have power budget to perform PoE out. žIf device is powered via other power inputs and is thus capable of powering another device via PoE out, then it doesn't need PoE in.
 
User avatar
Amm0
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 940
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 7:12 pm
Location: California

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:19 pm

I don't fully understand the rationale behind that change either.
It's cheaper. But also does simplify the default config/QuickSet, since "Internet In" may be an outside wireless device that needs PoE-out power (and hAPaxX is inside where AC power is easier). Or conversely, you want to put hAPaxX someplace different than where the hardline ISP modem lives, so PoE-IN be useful so it's one cable. Both cases go to the port that says "Internet In".
 
User avatar
Larin
just joined
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:44 am

Hi All!
I have 2 questions about my hAP ax^3 router.

Question one:
In the System - Resources section, it says: Factory Software 7.5
In the System - RouterBOARD section, it says: Factory Firmware 7.6
Why does a new router from the factory have different versions of "Factory Software" and "Factory Firmware"?
Is this normal or does it mean that the router was reflashed in the store before the sale?
Does Netinstall change this version of "Factory Firmware"?

Question two:
The new router in the System - Resources section says Bad Blocks: 1.2%
Is this a warranty case? Can I return/replace this router to the store back under warranty?

ps: See attachment.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
 
td32
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 110
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:55 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:56 am

You have more "Totals Sectors Write" than i ever had on my hap ac in 5 year time.
 
User avatar
Larin
just joined
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:24 am

You have more "Totals Sectors Write" than i ever had on my hap ac in 5 year time.
The same percentage of bad blocks was right after unpacking, when there were no records on the flash drive.
 
Athan
Frequent Visitor
Frequent Visitor
Posts: 90
Joined: Mon May 31, 2010 2:48 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:39 am

I just received the hap ax3 I ordered.
IMHO Microtik urgently needs a competent industrial designer. What massive big eared plastic ugliness is this? :(

Specs is one thing, but at this price the product must have corresponding build and design quality.
 
holvoetn
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1836
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:14 am
Location: Belgium

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:22 am

And how does the device deviate from the pictures which were already available ?
I guess no difference ?
So you did not do your homework before buying ? :lol:

It's the same design as hAP AC3 which has been around for quite some time now.
If you don't like the big ears (they do have a function, though), probably you might have been better choosing hAP AX2.
 
User avatar
Znevna
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 1212
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:04 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:55 am

IMHO Microtik urgently needs a competent industrial designer. What massive big eared plastic ugliness is this? :(
Nothing compares to a fine top-notch MikroTik forum post and a good coffee to start the week.
Thank you!
 
Rox169
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:55 am

@athan if the device would be smaller it would look OK but the size and wasted space inside is sad...
 
mkx
Forum Guru
Forum Guru
Posts: 8970
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:23 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:19 am

Why does a new router from the factory have different versions of "Factory Software" and "Factory Firmware"?
Is this normal or does it mean that the router was reflashed in the store before the sale?
Does Netinstall change this version of "Factory Firmware"?

Netinstall doesn't touch "factory firmware". However, it is possible to upgrade factory firmware to 7.6, check this manual page.

It's not usual to see different factory software and factory firmware versions. It's not unheard of, but not with recent releases.

If your hAP ax3 came installed with v7.7 from the dealer, then somebody did upgrade it. Whether dealer did it for you ... or your unit was sold before and returned (and previous owner did the upgrade) ... can't be told. But anyway, it's not in state as it left the factory, so you should at least netinstall it (with option "don't keep configuration") to wipe out anything that previous installer might leave behind.
 
biomesh
Long time Member
Long time Member
Posts: 508
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:25 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:51 pm

@Larin my ccr2004-16G has factory firmware 7.4.1 and factory software of 7.3.1, so not out of the ordinary it seems. What does seem concerning is that you had so many writes during your uptime of less than 5 hours.

Are you doing any work with containers or a lot of graphing?
 
User avatar
Larin
just joined
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:08 pm

Why does a new router from the factory have different versions of "Factory Software" and "Factory Firmware"?
Is this normal or does it mean that the router was reflashed in the store before the sale?
Does Netinstall change this version of "Factory Firmware"?

Netinstall doesn't touch "factory firmware". However, it is possible to upgrade factory firmware to 7.6, check this manual page.

It's not usual to see different factory software and factory firmware versions. It's not unheard of, but not with recent releases.

If your hAP ax3 came installed with v7.7 from the dealer, then somebody did upgrade it. Whether dealer did it for you ... or your unit was sold before and returned (and previous owner did the upgrade) ... can't be told. But anyway, it's not in state as it left the factory, so you should at least netinstall it (with option "don't keep configuration") to wipe out anything that previous installer might leave behind.
Hi! To version 7.7, I updated it myself.
I was surprised that the factory firmware was 7.6 and the software was the same 7.6, and the factory software in the router indicated 7.5
And I was wondering if it was made at the factory or in the store.

There were no extra settings in the router.
The antennas were not unpacked in the box and I do not know if it was flashed with the antennas connected or not and how this affected its transmitting power now.
ps: I bought it here: getic.com
 
User avatar
Larin
just joined
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:13 pm

@Larin my ccr2004-16G has factory firmware 7.4.1 and factory software of 7.3.1, so not out of the ordinary it seems. What does seem concerning is that you had so many writes during your uptime of less than 5 hours.

Are you doing any work with containers or a lot of graphing?
Sorry for the misinformation. I made these entries after rebooting the router, I tried 2 times to completely write the flash to the end to see if more bad blocks appeared. They didn't show up anymore.
But 1.2% was also on the newly unpacked router, then there were no records in the flash.
 
User avatar
Amm0
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 940
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 7:12 pm
Location: California

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:46 pm

But 1.2% was also on the newly unpacked router, then there were no records in the flash.
That does sound weird. I'd open a support case (with supout.rif attached) since only Mikrotik know something like that.
 
User avatar
Larin
just joined
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:31 am

But 1.2% was also on the newly unpacked router, then there were no records in the flash.
That does sound weird. I'd open a support case (with supout.rif attached) since only Mikrotik know something like that.
I contacted support (but I did not attach the supout.rif file), they answered me quickly enough in support and said that this is normal, even for a new router :)
They said that if the percentage of bad blocks does not grow, you can forget about it. Or flash the router via netinstall - then this counter, in theory, should be reset.

========================
I also noticed today another glitch hap ax3.
I noticed that 2 GHz network does not work for me, and I configured it and it worked successfully and after that I did not make any major changes to the router configuration.
What I just did not do .... :) but then by chance I discovered that if I rotate one of the antennas by 90 degrees, then the 2 GHz network miraculously appears. :)
It turns out that the interference for the 2 GHz network was the USB cable from an external 2.5-inch drive, which I recently connected and the wire from it ran a centimeter from one of the antennas.
When I removed this wire away, everything worked by itself.

I don't know if this is the normal quality of a new product (hap ax3) and whether it should be so, but I decided to share this experience.

ps: I think I found the answer to this problem here:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/p ... -paper.pdf
 
maigonis
Member Candidate
Member Candidate
Posts: 109
Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:16 pm

Re: MikroTik hAP ax³ [C53UiG+5HPaxD2HPaxD]

Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:00 am



That does sound weird. I'd open a support case (with supout.rif attached) since only Mikrotik know something like that.
I contacted support (but I did not attach the supout.rif file), they answered me quickly enough in support and said that this is normal, even for a new router :)
They said that if the percentage of bad blocks does not grow, you can forget about it. Or flash the router via netinstall - then this counter, in theory, should be reset.

========================
I also noticed today another glitch hap ax3.
I noticed that 2 GHz network does not work for me, and I configured it and it worked successfully and after that I did not make any major changes to the router configuration.
What I just did not do .... :) but then by chance I discovered that if I rotate one of the antennas by 90 degrees, then the 2 GHz network miraculously appears. :)
It turns out that the interference for the 2 GHz network was the USB cable from an external 2.5-inch drive, which I recently connected and the wire from it ran a centimeter from one of the antennas.
When I removed this wire away, everything worked by itself.

I don't know if this is the normal quality of a new product (hap ax3) and whether it should be so, but I decided to share this experience.

ps: I think I found the answer to this problem here:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/p ... -paper.pdf
Yes, USB3 will kill any 2.4ghz connection. I battled whit this on my PCs wireless mice and keyboard.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests