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SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:32 pm

SwOS Lite version 2.14 released
http://www.mikrotik.com/download

What's new in v2.14:

*) improve SFP+ link establishment;
*) GPEN21: allow to select up-link port;
*) make IGMP snooping work with multiple VLANs;
*) stop forwarding multicast traffic on client unsubscribe;
*) do not show learned IGMP addresses under Hosts;
*) fixed ACL Set-VLAN-ID, DSCP and Priority fields;
*) make flow-control disabled by default;
*) CSS610: allow to configure both rx & tx flow-control;
*) SNMP: fixed ifSpeed & ifHighSpeed;
*) do not tag outgoing packets if their VLAN matches port Default-VLAN-ID and
port is in Optional VLAN mode;
*) port is now automatically its Default-VLAN-ID member;
*) make Port statistics more precise;
*) do not send Mikrotik neighbor discovery packets on ports that have it disabled;
*) fixed ACL to be able to drop any neighbor discovery packets;
*) report correct RSTP root path cost on LAG links;
*) make SwOS respond only to its own ip address even if MAC address is correct;
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:38 pm

*) GPEN21: allow to select up-link port;


What does that mean? Can we now use all 3 ports independently?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:14 pm

Changelog header has been added to RouterOS /Changelogs/ Stable release .
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:19 am

*) GPEN21: allow to select up-link port;
What does that mean? Can we now use all 3 ports independently?
You can select an uplink port on the "Forwarding" page. This selected port can talk to the other two ports, while two non-uplink ports are isolated from each other.

Thanks bpwl, will try to fix this as soon as possible.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:32 am

Can anybody confirm if this fixes the link issues with Intel SFP NIC's? Currently on 2.13 release candidate for that to work as 2.13 final could not link.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:06 pm

PLEASE

some confirmation on "Reset Configuration" button can help...
Is near to "Save Backup" and do not ask for confirmation...

Not?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:36 pm

SwOS Lite 2.14 acts as igmp querier using IGMPv3 when igmp-snooping is turned on. You can't change the igmp version being used nor can you turn off the querier function.
What makes things worse, it sends out these igmp reports using 0.0.0.0, since it has no IP Address other than on the management vlan.
Because of the low ip address, it wins every querier election and ultimately breaks multicast, where a L3 device needs to be the querier for PIM / igmp-proxy to work correctly.
Please add the option to enable igmp-snooping together with no-querier and let users select on which vlans they want to use this feature including the igmp version.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:40 pm

Hi!
As already mentioned with Version 2.13 (see other post of mine: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=173526#p859378 ) the problem with SNMP on the GPEN21 still persists.
The values for SFP RX Power and SFP TX Power are not given (even though listed in Mikrotiks MIB), but shown on the Web Interface.

~# snmpwalk -v2c -c public 192.168.88.1 1.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.2.3 = STRING: "SFP1"
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.5.3 = Gauge32: 0
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.6.3 = Gauge32: 65408
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.7.3 = Gauge32: 0
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.8.3 = Gauge32: 0
iso.3.6.1.4.1.14988.1.1.19.1.1.8.3 = No more variables left in this MIB View (It is past the end of the MIB tree)

While digging around i found out that the raw values of the SFP are almost directly given to the web browser and all the calculation is done there.
This makes sense if the resources in the GPEN21 are extremly thin.
All calculations are quite simple ... except the ones for the SFP RX and TX Power. Which are given in linear steps of 0.1 microwatts. To arrive to dBm a logarithm would have to be calculated.
For the web interface, this happens in the browser, for SNMP however it would have to be calculated directly by the GPEN21 - and i guess it does not have the resources to do so.
Can you confirm or dismiss my theory @Mikrotik?


Beste regards
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:01 am

some confirmation on "Reset Configuration" button can help...
Is near to "Save Backup" and do not ask for confirmation...
+1

and please add some kind of "safe mode" too.
Make it possible to first apply changes without saving them permanently.
If. the switch is still accessible after that, confirm changes to save them permanently.
If you make a mistake and can't access it anymore, power-cycle to restore previous config.
Optionally support a timeout after which config is reverted if not confirmed, for situations where power-cycle may be difficult to do (reverse-PoE).
The config file is small, I don't think there is not enough memory to implement such a feature.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:12 am

We need a fix for SFP negotiation now.

As of release 2.14 GPEN21 and maybe others won't auto negotiate correctly with certain generic lasers in them.

Using a very old 20km Mikrotik branded laser works.
Using 2.13 version works with any laser.

Using 2.14 does NOT work with just about any laser we have tried.

We've had to resort to setting it all to static 1Gbps FDX link on BOTH the switch port on the other side and the GPEN21.

Please fix asap!
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:01 pm

SwOS Lite 2.14 acts as igmp querier using IGMPv3 when igmp-snooping is turned on. You can't change the igmp version being used nor can you turn off the querier function.
What makes things worse, it sends out these igmp reports using 0.0.0.0, since it has no IP Address other than on the management vlan.
Because of the low ip address, it wins every querier election and ultimately breaks multicast, where a L3 device needs to be the querier for PIM / igmp-proxy to work correctly.
Please add the option to enable igmp-snooping together with no-querier and let users select on which vlans they want to use this feature including the igmp version.
There is no option to configure the IGMP querier version, we will see if this option can be added in the next release. Also, there is no option to disable the querier, but the switch will stop sending queries in case another querier is detected. As for the 0.0.0.0 querier address, this is a special case querier address that should not affect the querier election, the multicast routers and IGMP proxy should ignore such packets.

The values for SFP RX Power and SFP TX Power are not given (even though listed in Mikrotiks MIB), but shown on the Web Interface.
Thanks for sharing this, hope to include the Tx/Rx power values for SNMP in the next release.

As of release 2.14 GPEN21 and maybe others won't auto negotiate correctly with certain generic lasers in them.
Thanks for reporting, please share the details about used SFP modules to support if not already.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:16 pm

...

PLEASE

add some confirmation on "Reset Configuration" button...
Is near to "Save Backup" and do not ask for confirmation...

Also please add it on non-lite version
Thanks
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:33 pm

add some confirmation on "Reset Configuration" button...
Thanks for the suggestion, will check if this option can be implemented.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Hello EdPa, thank you for your detailed reply.

As for the 0.0.0.0 querier address, this is a special case querier address that should not affect the querier election, the multicast routers and IGMP proxy should ignore such packets.

This is not what I've observed here.
The packet is not ignored by ROS 6.48.3 / igmp-proxy, even if the bridge port the packet arrives on is set to multicast-router=disabled.
The moment you connect the CSS610 to the CCR or reboot the CSS, igmp-proxy receives the general membership query from 0.0.0.0 and immediately stops sending queries, and won't recover by itself unless you disconnect the CSS again. It's basically a race condition.
Still not sure if this is a SwOS and / or ROS issue. IMHO if there won't be an option to disable the querier in future versions of SwOS Lite, at least the switch upon boot should wait 4m15s (default querier-interval) and listen if there's already another querier on the network before sending a general membership query. The other option is to fix igmp-proxy, ignoring messages from 0.0.0.0.
Should I file a ticket about that?

+1 for reboot / reset configuration confirmation
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:18 pm

Nice work, osc86! I got the same results in our lab, will try to find some solution. No need for a support ticket.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:20 pm

Disabling bright blue power LED would be a nice feature.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:45 am

Nice work, osc86! I got the same results in our lab, will try to find some solution. No need for a support ticket.
I'm having the same issue with my CSS610's, IGMP Snooping is basically broken.

Would very much appreciate a fix! Many thanks in advance.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:00 pm

With the many issues discovered in 2.14 (especially the regressions from 2.13), can we expect a 2.15 (with more bugs fixed, and no new ones added) soon?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:29 pm

On Link Tab there are new columns such as "Length", "Fault at", "Cable Pair"
How can we read Cable Pair property? Couldn't find any explanation on the wiki.
I am asking because I have one remote CSS610-8G-2S+ which reports on ether8 Cable Pair: __oo

Thank you
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:42 pm

I have same problem with gpen21 with FS.com SFP on Dutch FTTH networks. Fix would be appriciated!

We need a fix for SFP negotiation now.

As of release 2.14 GPEN21 and maybe others won't auto negotiate correctly with certain generic lasers in them.

Using a very old 20km Mikrotik branded laser works.
Using 2.13 version works with any laser.

Using 2.14 does NOT work with just about any laser we have tried.

We've had to resort to setting it all to static 1Gbps FDX link on BOTH the switch port on the other side and the GPEN21.

Please fix asap!
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:49 pm

Any update about SFP(+) compatibility fixes?
Running 2.13 and it works, afraid to upgrade to 2.14 especially if remote access is over fiber connection that might break.
The devices really should have a dual firmware feature - upgrade, reboot and login to confirm (within a timeout) the new firmware is working properly, if timeout (like 10 minutes or so) passes without anyone login and confirm, then reboot back to the old version. The same should also apply to any configuration changes that might result in loss of remote access.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:40 am

Any update about SFP(+) compatibility fixes?
Running 2.13 and it works, afraid to upgrade to 2.14 especially if remote access is over fiber connection that might break.
The devices really should have a dual firmware feature - upgrade, reboot and login to confirm (within a timeout) the new firmware is working properly, if timeout (like 10 minutes or so) passes without anyone login and confirm, then reboot back to the old version. The same should also apply to any configuration changes that might result in loss of remote access.
This would be awesome, especially on the configuration side like a Netonix in the aspect
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:51 pm

Is your IPv6 router running ROS?
This sounds like the (still unfixed) bug where igmp-snooping is filtering out neighbor advertisements. Check your neighbor table if hosts are showing up with their correct mac address, and if they reappear in the list after they have timed out. I think it's about 4 minutes.
/ipv6 neighbor print 
Which version are you running and what is the igmp configuration of the bridge?
I'm running 6.47.10 on my router, because this is the last version, where IPv6 and IPTV work without issues, as long as multicast-querier is turned off in the bridge.
/interface bridge set 0 igmp-snooping=yes multicast-router=permanent multicast-querier=no
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:01 pm

When are we getting a new version that fixes IPv6 multicast?

I've got several 610 based switches and GPEN21 units along with RB260Gs units in a layer2 network for FTTH and it's currently generating like 40k pps of IPv6 multicast/broadcast type traffic floating around my switches/network.

Which kills a lot of customer wireless routers with 30-40Mbps of small packet multicast/broadcast traffic hitting WAN/Internet ports constantly.

Also with SFP compatibility in GPEN21 please add/test generic fiberstore SMF BIDI adapters to your list, we buy a TON of pairs of those for use in Mikrotik "ONT" devices like the GPEN21 and RB260GS.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Are the many reported SwOS Lite 2.14 issues still being tracked and worked on?
- SFP(+) module compatibility
- IPv6 multicasts
- what else?
Or is this product abandoned, and something better is in the works?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:03 pm

Is Mikrotik ever going to offer Perpetual PoE on newer switches?

Kind regards.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:15 pm

It's been months and no resolution on IPv6 multicast and no fast leave optoins etc.

I'm getting 40k+ packets a second on some layer2 segments using GPEN21 units because of this problem that IS STILL THERE!!!

Please please please someone at Mikrotik fix this and release a new SWOS Lite version so I can upgrade all my GPEN 21 units and stop this nonsense!!!
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:19 pm

LOGS
IS THERE any possiblity to add to good hardware (CSS610-8G-2s+) logging !???
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:28 pm

SNMP + LibreNMS, gets me stats about health, throughput, link up/down events, interface errors, stp, etc.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:53 am

SNMP + LibreNMS, gets me stats about health, throughput, link up/down events, interface errors, stp, etc.
snmp status you got only when you request something then device answers , is it only possible solutions for SwOs ?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:35 pm

and I see that no on SwOS either !!! CRS series
doesn't understand why Mikrotik doesn't want to add history or at least syslog to collect history of information, warnings and errors ?!
You mean syslog? No option on SwitchOS lite.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:56 pm

Syslog ? SwOS cannot make a connection to another IP address. IP implementation without netmask or gateway, answers with same IP address and same MAC address as the initiator connected.

And the upgrade tab? Connecting to the software distribution for release information and upgrade? No, SwOS is not doing that, the browser is combining multiple sources.

But + 1 , for having a LOG in SwOS.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Tue Feb 22, 2022 4:14 pm

What are the proper steps to downgrade from 2.14 Switch OS Lite to the original 2.12 Switch OS that came with my CSS610-8G-2S+switch?

I have the correct version I believe:
https://download.mikrotik.com/swos2/css ... 6-2.12.bin

I try to install the file by clicking the upgrade button, it accepts the file but in reads in red fonts on the OS page to wait but it never installs the firmware.

I tried to do a reset as well by holding down the switch on powerup but that does not load the original firmware either. Just clears all the setting and leaves version 2.14 on there....

Upgrading to 2.14 made my Brocade SFP's (FTLF1421P1BCL) unreachable. They show as linked but I cannot connect to them nor see them on my router
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:54 am

AFAIK this switch only uses SWOS-lite, not SWOS ... different firmware "products", although versions might make you think these are related.
When the switch hit the market, it was shipped with a release candidate (v2.12rcX) of SWOS-lite, hence your thinking to go back to that version number.
This firmware had never been officially puplished, I think.
There are same threads in the routerboard or swos subforum, where other, older version (pre v2.13) popped up from time to time after users complaining, like here: viewtopic.php?p=883198&hilit=css610#p853259

Edit: also, here: viewtopic.php?p=847895&hilit=css610#p843791

Note that the sibling (outdoor version, netPower Lite 7R) of the switch has a different firmware file, so look closely when searching.
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:17 pm

AFAIK this switch only uses SWOS-lite, not SWOS ... different firmware "products", although versions might make you think these are related.
When the switch hit the market, it was shipped with a release candidate (v2.12rcX) of SWOS-lite, hence your thinking to go back to that version number.
This firmware had never been officially puplished, I think.
There are same threads in the routerboard or swos subforum, where other, older version (pre v2.13) popped up from time to time after users complaining, like here: viewtopic.php?p=883198&hilit=css610#p853259

Edit: also, here: viewtopic.php?p=847895&hilit=css610#p843791

Note that the sibling (outdoor version, netPower Lite 7R) of the switch has a different firmware file, so look closely when searching.
Thanks....I put in a support ticket. If they reply, I will ask for version V2.12rcX . I would assume someone on this forum may have it? A web search shows ZERO hits with that tag of V2.12rcX
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:52 pm

which sfp+ module do you use in the CSS610?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:40 am

which sfp+ module do you use in the CSS610?
I use SFP, Brocade FTLF1421P1BCL-F1
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:28 am

......
When the switch hit the market, it was shipped with a release candidate (v2.12rcX) of SWOS-lite, hence your thinking to go back to that version number.
This firmware had never been officially puplished, I think......
Thanks so much for your help!

My issue is resolved. The software that originally came with the switch V2.12rcX is in fact the only that that works with my SFP's

Here it is if anyone can't afford to be down for 6 days while waiting to get it from techs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G7QVZg ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:53 am

Is this firmware still being developed?
SwOS Lite 2.14 is quite a few months old, and was reported to break compatibility with some SFP(+) modules that worked in 2.13.
Are all known bugs being tracked, and are there any RC versions to test in an attempt to fix them all?
Or is this hardware abandoned, and will be replaced by something better (ideally, capable of running ROS)?
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:57 am

Ingress Rate does NOT work on the netPower Lite 7R. Egress Rate works but not the Ingress Rate.

Anyone knows of some fix? TIA
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:34 pm

SwOS lite 2.15 is out since it's shipping on devices - also it seems 2.16 is around with a critical fix for the CSS610 so really would be good to get clearer updates on SwOS
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:41 pm

SwOS lite 2.15 is out since it's shipping on devices - also it seems 2.16 is around with a critical fix for the CSS610 so really would be good to get clearer updates on SwOS
how do I download SwOS 2.16 or 2.15? I only see 2.14 and 2.13 available via mikrotik.com
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:35 am

SwOS is 2.15 also came on my POE 8p switch; however its completely broken due to a webinterface bug; So I can only use it in Layer2 mode right now.

Any news on a hotfix (or 2.16) would be great.

*EDIT* I just found 2.17 (hotfix) in this post:viewtopic.php?t=188407#p962167
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:58 pm

Is anyone have some news about software in CSS610-8G-2S+, cause currently 2.14 version it's completly broken for me (cant set any TRUNK or VLAN connections).
 
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Re: SwOS Lite version 2.14 released!

Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:13 pm

It's probably a confguration issue, trunks and vlans are working without any issue on this device running 2.14.
For a trunk port see this working example (everything is tagged, even management - not a hybrid port):
VLAN Tab:
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